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Post by finest on Oct 1, 2016 23:32:25 GMT 1
And I am pissed of especially by 181 insulting the intelligence of the users here! Look; Your opinions don't insult my intelligence, mine shouldn't be an insult on yours. Sharing opinions is not insulting... They introduced a new premium character... Nix... And as always, almost right away players found an exploit... Nix did AOE damage when someone hit 'wait' on him. Developers had PLENTY of time to fix it right away. Instead, they saw the 'bug' and found it pretty cool, so they just went with it. End game players began to develop strategies with it and got entire guilds on board with using it. Meanwhile, f2p users are screaming up and down that they developers only care about vip, and aren't giving them anything. Their crying that Nix is over powered and that life isn't fair. I want to drive a Ferrari... I can't afford it... I'm not going to go bitching to Ferrari that they only care about million and billionaires because I can't afford their product. I'm going to make the best of what I do have. What I have, gets me around on the city streets just as well as those cars do... but if they want to open them up on the highway, yah, there going to blow past me. Developers respond to the bitching on FB and in their back channels by removing the 'bug.' I was VIP14 long before Nix was released. He didn't cost me a dime more to acquire as I save my daily arena gems. So they didn't get much milk out of this cow. I have shown how he can be taken out in both sky and regular arena with f2p groups. I have demonstrated that he is not OP as he can't dominate every other character in the game 1 on 1. In my Opinion, he is not OP. If a character comes out that is OP, I'll be sure to scream red flag, but Nix certainly isn't it. On a final note The game doesn't charge to acquire any of it's in game currency (Gold Coins, Arena Coins, Sky Coins, or Diamonds) The game doesn't charge a monthly fee The game doesn't charge to acquire the vast majority of their hero's The game has made 3 premium characters that require a VIP 11 or higher to acquire The game even allows f2p players to use those characters guild mates aquired in boss battles, story modes, and sky arena so you can get the enjoyment out of them without paying for it. That's more than I'll say for any business that wouldn't let me test drive a Ferrari. Couldnt ve said it better. The hero exchange function let f2p players test drive the premium units without paying premium prices.so the "bug" of Nixaes happened to not only benefit the vip players themselves but also the f2p guildmates. This could help the whole guild kill the boss faster. Especially small guild 15-35 active players who have to battle the boss for over a week to slay it. When Nix is fixed aka nerfed, everyone suffers. It takes longer to kill the boss because the amount of dmg per attack using Nix reduces up to 100k. For a 30 level70 players guild, that is 30 x2 x100k = 6 million hp .
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Post by zalastro on Oct 2, 2016 3:35:18 GMT 1
I thought the issue was closed, but as you asked for here my comments in Bold. And I am pissed of especially by 181 insulting the intelligence of the users here! Look; Your opinions don't insult my intelligence, mine shouldn't be an insult on yours. - Well how do you call it if someone insists in an opinion even with all proves against?Sharing opinions is not insulting... - have fun sharing your opinion with e.g. a flat earth believer They introduced a new premium character... Nix... And as always, almost right away players found an exploit... Nix did AOE damage when someone hit 'wait' on him. Developers had PLENTY of time to fix it right away. Instead, they saw the 'bug' and found it pretty cool, so they just went with it. End game players began to develop strategies with it and got entire guilds on board with using it. - Issue of this thread is if Nixaes is OP, the Nerf or Bug Fix (call it as you wish) was only requested by one guy here in another thread and has nothing to do with competetive play. Heck I am an end game player and my guild used him.Meanwhile, f2p users are screaming up and down that they developers only care about vip, and aren't giving them anything. Their crying that Nix is over powered and that life isn't fair. - So you believe he is OP and told different? Anyway addressing this paragraph to me is void, read my posts, doing so is a valid option of the developers, however it is a certain paradigm change in the game (to be honest it started earlier). Just to add, I am no F2P, Devs need to earn money too and this game has several great points, making it quite unique.I want to drive a Ferrari... I can't afford it... I'm not going to go bitching to Ferrari that they only care about million and billionaires because I can't afford their product. I'm going to make the best of what I do have. What I have, gets me around on the city streets just as well as those cars do... but if they want to open them up on the highway, yah, there going to blow past me. - missed the point, thread is about Nixaes being OP and I wrote about the moniterization model of the game. Read again, I called a model apealing for high ViP valid.Developers respond to the bitching on FB and in their back channels by removing the 'bug.' - If there was any bitching about it the bug (I also used a borrowed 5*), I missed it. But again read above, no impact on Arena.I was VIP14 long before Nix was released. He didn't cost me a dime more to acquire as I save my daily arena gems. So they didn't get much milk out of this cow. I have shown how he can be taken out in both sky and regular arena with f2p groups. I have demonstrated that he is not OP as he can't dominate every other character in the game 1 on 1. In my Opinion, he is not OP. If a character comes out that is OP, I'll be sure to scream red flag, but Nix certainly isn't it. -Whom do you want to fool? You had to pay nothing for the right to buy him from the Dolphin Pool, but Diamonds don´t fall out of the Sky. Levelling him to 5* costs a lot, my Guildmember did it, great for him just to add. Regarding your demonstration, you showed that a 3* Nixaes kills 90% of all other heros in 1 on 1. On 5* probably only Gladius will resist, but I have no prove for this. This test didn´t even include the AoE effect and synergy effects from the team. So look at finest´s video maintaining place 1 with a 3* Nixaes. 3* hero competetive in endgame=OP (though not necessarily game breaking)On a final note The game doesn't charge to acquire any of it's in game currency (Gold Coins, Arena Coins, Sky Coins, or Diamonds) - Correct, greatThe game doesn't charge a monthly fee - correct, great, to add the monthly card gives a good cost / benefitThe game doesn't charge to acquire the vast majority of their hero's - correct, really goodThe game has made 4 (Nix, Pag, Ele, Glad) premium characters that require a VIP 11 or higher to acquire - no problem if not OPThe game even allows f2p players to use those characters guild mates aquired in boss battles, story modes, and sky arena so you can get the enjoyment out of them without paying for it. - correct and good; side note, none of the above is new or exclusive for this game, all of the points above are quite standard for similar games like Heroes Charge etc.That's more than I'll say for any business that wouldn't let me test drive a Ferrari. - Do some basic logics: Either he is OP and the argument is be valid, albeit in some other discussion or he is not and your point is moot.
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Post by 181Light on Oct 3, 2016 18:57:55 GMT 1
I thought the issue was closed, but as you asked for here my comments in Bold. We both agree that the game design has a good set up for both f2p players and those that are willing to p2p. I've gone and cut quotes about Nix being f2p vs p2p as it's not relevant to him being OP or not OP other f2p bitching on Facebook that they couldn't compete with Nix. We don't agree that Nix is OP. - It is your stance that he is OP because he has immunity to all secondary effects - It is my stance that he is not OP because if someone is using him on defence, I always win and Nix is dropped by round 2 and egg smashed round 3. And it's usually done with a full group of f2p heroes. Look; Your opinions don't insult my intelligence, mine shouldn't be an insult on yours. Well how do you call it if someone insists in an opinion even with all proves against?Sharing opinions is not insulting... - have fun sharing your opinion with e.g. a flat earth believer Well, step one would be researching their hypothesis Step two might be questioning certain aspects of their theory. I'm still not clear on what a flat earth believer refers to as 'Bendy Light' I might make active efforts to convince them the earth is a sphere before diving into EE/GE concepts -Whom do you want to fool? You had to pay nothing for the right to buy him from the Dolphin Pool, but Diamonds don´t fall out of the Sky. Levelling him to 5* costs a lot, my Guildmember did it, great for him just to add. Regarding your demonstration, you showed that a 3* Nixaes kills 90% of all other heros in 1 on 1. On 5* probably only Gladius will resist, but I have no prove for this. This test didn´t even include the AoE effect and synergy effects from the team. So look at finest´s video maintaining place 1 with a 3* Nixaes. 3* hero competetive in endgame=OP (though not necessarily game breaking) Diamonds fall out of the arena, usually over 400 a day if you can hold down a spot in the top 10. Our guild currently dominates the arena and have locked down the top 20 positions. After a week of saving up gems, I usually have enough for 7-10 rolls on the dolphin pond, or 1 roll on the mermaid pond for isaac or Isah. I still don't have isah, and I still don't have any 5 star dolphin hero's. I'm hoping Elemix is my first to 5* and he's still more useful to me than Nix is. I don't consider it a race to be the first with every maxed out hero. If it was, no question the p2p win that one. I'm not going to bitch about them getting 5* hero's fast than me either. An OP hero to me would be game breaking. Having special skills like being immune to all CC related skills is no more OP than Gable getting a counter attack every single time he is attacked. He's so squishy and mobility so high, it's EASY to kill him, than your opponent is down to 4 on 5 making him impractical. We saw a large influx of people using him at first, but now defences are set up to counter his use. If could record replays on defences, I'd be happy to show you a couple.
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Post by zalastro on Oct 4, 2016 23:04:21 GMT 1
Diamonds fall out of the arena, usually over 400 a day if you can hold down a spot in the top 10. Our guild currently dominates the arena and have locked down the top 20 positions. After a week of saving up gems, I usually have enough for 7-10 rolls on the dolphin pond, or 1 roll on the mermaid pond for isaac or Isah. I still don't have isah, and I still don't have any 5 star dolphin hero's. I'm hoping Elemix is my first to 5* and he's still more useful to me than Nix is. I don't consider it a race to be the first with every maxed out hero. If it was, no question the p2p win that one. I'm not going to bitch about them getting 5* hero's fast than me either. An OP hero to me would be game breaking. Having special skills like being immune to all CC related skills is no more OP than Gable getting a counter attack every single time he is attacked. He's so squishy and mobility so high, it's EASY to kill him, than your opponent is down to 4 on 5 making him impractical. We saw a large influx of people using him at first, but now defences are set up to counter his use. If could record replays on defences, I'd be happy to show you a couple. Snipped a lot of content above, going directly to the points. I see now where we spoke about different things. I was referring to Nixaes 5* and you about 3*. For 3* I agree with all of your points. 5* changes the issue in terms of power and costs (Diamonds and real money). You say it is not a race and I agree with you here, but if you offer power to people, at least several ones (aka big whales) will buy. This is not new, even Richard Garfield had to learn it when he launched Magic the Gathering in the beginning without card limits. He thought no one will buy many starters and boosters only to get the hand on a few powerful cards; guess what, he was wrong. Same issue here, you cannot balance a hero simply by saying "Hey, people won´t buy enough stones for 5*". Regarding Nixaes being OP, it is his complete package, I would consider him already very strong without his imunity to all. His 2nd skill is essentially Gables counter all and stat wise: HP 34,7k vs 31,5 k Damage: 18,3k vs 12,7k Phys Def: 10,3k vs 10,5k Magic: 8700 vs vs 8300 Especially the damage shows that they are not in the same league. Finally, if you still believe that Nixaes is OP on 5*, feel free to tell me how you would to beat a team of Nixaes, Gladius, Elemix, Farand and Hyperia (all 5*, max everything), without using ViP 11 heroes. I will try to make a video. Up to now I only managed to down 2 of his heroes (including Nixaes, but he still does his damage share).
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