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Post by elin999 on Jun 10, 2016 21:34:25 GMT 1
Hi All, i'm new to game and cant get very far in sky arena.
1st day I got to 3rd opponent, and last 2 days i cant get pass 2nd.
i've read all the posts, but seems like there's nothing i can do to win.
I'm being matched with opponents that are 3-4 levels higher than me, as first opponent! Most of them just 1 or 2 shot my guys.
My team is less than optimal with crappy 1-2 star starter guys, being new to game, i simply dont have many options.
I cant stall because it's either kill or be killed.
People claim they've "never lost sky arena since day1", how is that possible?
Am i doing something wrong? PLEASE HELP!
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Post by karoo on Jun 10, 2016 21:40:15 GMT 1
they recently lowered the entry level for the sky arena, so there are probably few people lower than you to matchmake with. there are some other threads here that describe what you can do to get through, but first you need to get a little higher level. you said you don't want to stall, but that can definitely help and doesn't cost much at lower levels. just make 4 of your heroes strong, and the 5th keep at a low rating, and then borrow from your guild for the 5th.
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Post by elin999 on Jun 10, 2016 22:43:51 GMT 1
i see many lower leveled people in world chat and in arena, i'm just not being matched with them in sky arena.
the other posts stated "Castle 1 will be approximately 25%-50% below this rating"
This is definitely not true in my case. My Castle 1 is few levels above me and more stars than me. My Castle 1 is more like 25-50% higher than me.
with my best team, even by replaying many times, best i can do is lose 2 guys. Then i'm stuck at castle 2.
i know the benefits of stalling to recover health/energy. it's not that I dont WANT to stall, it's i cant stall! the enemy dmg output is higher than my healing.
i'll keep at it for few more days to see if things get better, i just know i'm losing valuable resources everyday by not getting far in sky arena. i'm doing ok in arena, ranking 75-100. just sky arena is killing me.
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Post by drea on Jun 11, 2016 11:04:26 GMT 1
Whats your level? At first (level 30) i was also facing higher opponents than me, at most i can get is to level 3 arena only, for the first few days... Then for this last 2 days have been rediculously easy, opponents 5-15 level LOWER than me, lol...
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Post by elin999 on Jun 12, 2016 15:53:54 GMT 1
update: on my 5th day. i'm STILL facing opponents that are way higher than me. 1st opponent is 10-15% higher power than me. 2nd opponent is #1 player on server that's 5 levels higher than me! i still managed to make it to 6th opponent by replaying a hundred times, but it was very very difficult. 6th opponent was about 50% power higher than me which i had no chance of winning...
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Post by loup on Jun 17, 2016 15:04:24 GMT 1
hi, i would like to ask a something about the sky arena and i don't know where to ask about it... so i have a little problem with the battles. when it's time to start the battle and i have to choose my heroes there are red x on them and i can't choose them... what to do? ? please help...
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Post by wildchild on Jun 17, 2016 21:42:06 GMT 1
A red X on your character means they've died in a previous battle and are unavailable.
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Post by Buttersheep on Jun 17, 2016 22:36:26 GMT 1
Just to clarify, it's not the rating of the heroes you are using, but the highest rated of all of your heroes. This includes heroes killed in previous rounds. What is your top 5 heroes rating? The best way to check this is by setting up your arena defense. Your heroes are sorted there by rating. Put in the top 5 and read off the rating that it shows you. If it's less than 4,500 then there are likely not enough low rated opponents for you to face, like Karoo said. Otherwise you can expect a distribution similar to this:
Finally, what heroes are you using? I prefer to level Sky arena heroes primarily and arena/guild boss heroes later on in the game.
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Post by RyanT on Jun 18, 2016 10:25:26 GMT 1
I know what your problem is. You rank too high in the Arena.
The system chooses opponents according to your max power(5 best), but also restricted by your Arena rank. People around your Arena rank will be chosen, mostly ppl at higher rank. You're at 75-100 so you are very likely to see even the top rank if his max power is not significantly higher than yours.
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Post by RyanT on Jun 18, 2016 10:36:47 GMT 1
Sky Arena is best done with 01 team only as you have energy advantage. But in the very early game its better to level up everyone equally so you dont face insane opponents. If you focus on 1 team, it has to be the right heroes.
Crowd Control matters. You are facing strong opponents statistically, but they are controlled by poor AI.
Helena is number 1 choice.
Next, you want heroes with self-heal, or disabling skills.
Top choices : Pixie, Dracula, Hyperia, Centaur, Pei, Trinity.
Aqua is also a wonderful unit for Sky but shes only available in the last map to farm, and only works at purple level when you unlock her freeze skill.
It gets easier once you get all the heroes needed. Im fighting ppl over 25,500 rating since 1st castle, and Sky is done in 30-40 minutes.
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Post by mortivore on Jun 18, 2016 10:55:56 GMT 1
Very good post ryan!
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Post by RyanT on Jun 18, 2016 11:54:31 GMT 1
Oh sorry, I forgot that disable skills only work 100% on enemies same lv or lower.
Your best option is to drop your Arena rank, a lot of it im afraid. If you only have starting heroes low ☆ like you said, stay out of top 500 for easy Sky lol. I just saw a guy in my server asking ppl to attack cause he got to rank 496 =)).
Important, drop your rank b4 you press the Sky reset button.
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Post by drea on Jun 19, 2016 16:38:49 GMT 1
Oh sorry, I forgot that disable skills only work 100% on enemies same lv or lower. Your best option is to drop your Arena rank, a lot of it im afraid. If you only have starting heroes low ☆ like you said, stay out of top 500 for easy Sky lol. I just saw a guy in my server asking ppl to attack cause he got to rank 496 =)). Important, drop your rank b4 you press the Sky reset button. Does it really work? Dropping normal arena rank to get easier matchups in sky arena? Thats like a very good pointer.. Will try tomorrow, thanks Lately my opponents get crazy high level above me... So i can only do up until castle 6-8 only
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Post by RyanT on Jun 20, 2016 3:02:08 GMT 1
drea : yes, not only opponents are chosen from around your Arena rank, but their teams are also made up of the heroes they set up in Arena at the moment you press the Sky reset button. It might seem counter productive to drop your Arena rank, but the Sky rewards worth a lot more than the few extra gems you get from Arena rank, unless you can stay in the top 5. Zorak is one of the best unit in the game and his souls only available in Sky shop. Castle 9 and 10 sometimes drop you a whole new hero, save you lots of farming time especially if you get a 3☆, instead of summoning with 80 souls.
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Post by drea on Jun 20, 2016 5:20:23 GMT 1
drea : yes, not only opponents are chosen from around your Arena rank, but their teams are also made up of the heroes they set up in Arena at the moment you press the Sky reset button. It might seem counter productive to drop your Arena rank, but the Sky rewards worth a lot more than the few extra gems you get from Arena rank, unless you can stay in the top 5. Zorak is one of the best unit in the game and his souls only available in Sky shop. Castle 9 and 10 sometimes drop you a whole new hero, save you lots of farming time especially if you get a 3☆, instead of summoning with 80 souls. It doesnt work, i put up weak defense team last night, my rank dropped to 1.7k. I press reset today, and still got matched by enemies around my level Does it have to do with arena offense team as well? If yes, i might have to purposely lose 1 time using a weak offense team
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Post by RyanT on Jun 20, 2016 5:40:41 GMT 1
First and formost, your 5 best heroes' power determent the enemies. Dropping rank doesnt mean you will see very weak players, but rather making them reasonable to fight with, not the insanely powerful high rank.
Your 5 strongest heroes should be those I have mentioned above, or you would still have a tough time in Sky. Its 1 vs 10, you cannot brute force your way through, so all the starting heroes are bad for Sky except Helena. Gable and Tristan have stun but required energy to cast, so they are not ideal to use.
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Post by Buttersheep on Jun 20, 2016 22:00:49 GMT 1
Oh sorry, I forgot that disable skills only work 100% on enemies same lv or lower. Your best option is to drop your Arena rank, a lot of it im afraid. If you only have starting heroes low ☆ like you said, stay out of top 500 for easy Sky lol. I just saw a guy in my server asking ppl to attack cause he got to rank 496 =)). Important, drop your rank b4 you press the Sky reset button. I'm sorry, but this is a very common myth about the sky arena ranking. At this time Arena rank is not a factor for match making. Update: It is now believed that arena rank is considered first and sorts you into one of ~three buckets of possible heroes. 1-25, 25-500ish & everything over 500 or so. This is why people in the top 25 always face other people in the top 25. This data was taken from a lowbie alternate account and confirmed that arena rating never was a factor for the range of 472-3165 I submit this data collection as evidence: Here is a comparison keeping the Top 5 Hero Rating very similar, while drastically increasing my arena rank. You can see that my sky arena opponent difficulty did not increase. Compare this chart with the chart I linked above that shows a gradual increase in difficulty as your Top 5 hero rating grows. heroestactics.freeforums.net/post/1111/thread
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Post by RyanT on Jun 21, 2016 8:32:55 GMT 1
Buttersheep No it isn't a myth. As someone who does Sky everyday for more than half a year, I know for a fact that Arena rank affect the opponents chosen in Sky. I constantly stay in the top 5 Arena, mostly 1 or 2, and I will never see anyone above rank 30, doesn't matter how high their rating is. There used to be a few guys that I constantly meet in Sky, but they quit and their Arena rank dropped above 30, and I never see them again in Sky My server is old and everyone's rating is very similar to each other ( around 25500). Like I said, the top 5 hero rating will deferment the opponents first, but then it will be restricted further to a certain Arena rank according to yours. One guy with a 5 stars Pegasus and rating of 25800 always appear in my Sky before, but then his Arena rank dropped to 34 in April and I never see him again, even though his rating is a lot more in line with what I have.
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Post by mortivore on Jun 21, 2016 9:39:01 GMT 1
Rank 25 seem to be opponent 1 in sky around 90% of the time. Rank 24 10% of the time. I noticed this cause a guild mate kept rank 25 for 2 weeks, and i got him at castle 1 every day.
Not sure what opponents people below rank 25 get, cause i havent been that low since january.
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Post by RyanT on Jun 21, 2016 12:28:31 GMT 1
Yep, what mortivore just said.
I am currently rank 2 in Arena, and my Sky opponents today, from 1st castle : rank 24, rank 22, rank 21, rank 20, rank 17, rank 16, rank 14, rank 10, rank 6, rank 1.
You can see there's a big jump in the last castle. Rank 1, or opponent castle 10, has 25826 rating. The thing is, some players above rank 30 also have 25800+ rating but never chosen.
From my own experiences, castle 3, 6, 9 and 10 are usually very hard, but they follow a patern, castle 1 will have the lowest Arena ranking, and castle 10 highest.
The higher your Arena rank is, the stronger options for the system to put into those castles for you.
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