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Post by 181Light on Sept 27, 2016 0:26:11 GMT 1
What do you mean the team shown isn't common? i can asure you Wallace is one of the toughest arena defenders on our server. Defence teams change to great varity when ever a new hero is introduced. from what i read about Neils skills, he might just be the anti zorak, anti elemix / healer some people have been dreaming of. Nix isnt OP... certainly not compared to some of the moments ive seen elemix or zorak achieve. Since people are screaming foul on Nix, i have to ask... how would you like to see him nurfed? i only ask, because i already find him super easy to beat in sky and arena, a nurf would make it easier for me. All 3 videos involve having Alex, Tristan and Grump maxed. Especially for Alex, this is not common. Furthermore in the only auto play the victory was barely and involved Zorak attacking a lone Merlin. I do not call Nixae game breaking, but needing a combination of 3 distinct heroes is in my book proof that Nixae is OP. Regarding nerve: get rid of the immune to all non damaging effects. P.s.: Dracula and Pixie also can take out entire teams, but the probability is really low You obviously haven't met many Alex users. There are those that swear by him, and those that can't be bothered to pick up his stones from the arena. If you saw my strategy post on Sky, you would know Alex is the Back Bone to my sky strategy. Alex was the second hero after Helena that I completely maxed out. I figured out early on that everyone and their pet where making teams that used, as you said, drac and pixie. I figured I better come up with teams that counter those two. The video was in response to someone who said it was... how did he put it... " can't win against p2w". As I used a f2p team to take down a p2p team for a rank 1 position... purposely... I'd make a strong case that his statement was wrong. Doesn't matter on an AI controlled arena it it was won by a landslide or barley by the skin of it's teeth... win is a win my friend. Wallace doesn't set up his defence to allow someone to ever have a land slide win, that's why he holds 1st time and time again. Drac is currently is prone to grumps taunts. 1/1 grump will take drac down. This is causing people to scream that grumps taunt is over powered and should be nurfed. I'm sure the demands for a flyer that wouldn't get sucked into a grump defence have been overwhelming on customer service. Nix immunity to it is probably part of that line of thinking. So they surf Nix immunity, people go back to screaming Grump is to powerful. They nurf grump and flyers start running over non-flyers. People start screaming flyers are unbalanced and their damage starts getting reduced so that their on par with tank classes. How about, we let the visionary behind the hero make them, test the hell out of them, deem their own level of balance, and we play the cards we are delt I was never one to question why a dungeon master balances a game the way they do. It was just up to me to enjoy playing it without screaming foul on their game.
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Post by zalastro on Sept 27, 2016 12:53:12 GMT 1
You really want to compare a hero with 2 movement, low damage and without immunities with a 6 movement, high damage and immune to all interesting abilities hero? The problem with Nixae is that he has no weakness, he always has initiative (unless in mirror) and no counter except a little but for the configuration in the video.
No other hero up to now limits you choices like that.
Other fact is that people are using him in Arena top 10 defense in a full developed server (Faltha) with only 3 stars. Again proving that he is an op (not game breaking) hero. BTW, Elemix was not used this way and Zorak only in the first days till strategies against him were found.
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Post by raco on Sept 28, 2016 7:04:48 GMT 1
Another thing that is dumb is that Nix's egg can dodge. The egg should have 100% chance to be hit. It doesn't move!
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Post by 181Light on Sept 28, 2016 22:21:48 GMT 1
Hope everyone voting Nix OP is happy, he has bern nurfed. His wait damage is removed.
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Post by midori on Sept 28, 2016 23:42:40 GMT 1
thats crap. may be on 5* he will be really strong, but so are elemix, gladius .. too. mine is 3* and he is good in attack but dies usually in round two like pixie. depends on arena setup. i cant say he is op.
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Post by raco on Sept 29, 2016 2:21:07 GMT 1
Hope everyone voting Nix OP is happy, he has bern nurfed. His wait damage is removed. That is not being nurfed, that is fixing a bug. They did not change his power at all. He is still the same over conquering hero that he was before in the arena. Dying in turn 2 is not that big of a deal as he can easily take out a huge percentage of several heroes in those two turns where Pixie may not even survive turn 1 in the arena and only can damage one hero. He also then turns into an egg, keeping the team busy attacking that instead of the other 4 heroes.
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Post by zalastro on Sept 29, 2016 3:08:16 GMT 1
thats crap. may be on 5* he will be really strong, but so are elemix, gladius .. too. mine is 3* and he is good in attack but dies usually in round two like pixie. depends on arena setup. i cant say he is op. In fact you, (like our administrator) just proved the opposite. If nixaes with just 3* is worthwhile being used in top 10 endgame, he is op. The "nerve" like was said before was just a bug fix and only means that elemix probably will be better again against the guild boss.
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Post by Bob on Sept 29, 2016 7:42:38 GMT 1
Hope everyone voting Nix OP is happy, he has bern nurfed. His wait damage is removed. That is not being nurfed, that is fixing a bug. They did not change his power at all. He is still the same over conquering hero that he was before in the arena. Dying in turn 2 is not that big of a deal as he can easily take out a huge percentage of several heroes in those two turns where Pixie may not even survive turn 1 in the arena and only can damage one hero. He also then turns into an egg, keeping the team busy attacking that instead of the other 4 heroes. Yep! Big baby spenders not happy
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Post by mogrim on Sept 29, 2016 17:12:09 GMT 1
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Post by 181Light on Sept 29, 2016 17:30:23 GMT 1
That is not being nurfed, that is fixing a bug. They did not change his power at all. He is still the same over conquering hero that he was before in the arena. Dying in turn 2 is not that big of a deal as he can easily take out a huge percentage of several heroes in those two turns where Pixie may not even survive turn 1 in the arena and only can damage one hero. He also then turns into an egg, keeping the team busy attacking that instead of the other 4 heroes. Yep! Big baby spenders not happy Yah, Not to pleased at all, you shouldn't be either. Pre-Nerf After-Nerf The "Bug" as was said above fixed has reduced Nix potential damage by what is appearing to be an average of 100k. That pretty much means any records set by him will now be set in stone until a level cap is increased. It also means Speed Records set will be set in stone as that's a million less damage for every 10 attacks that where using him. The entire guild suffers from that fix, not just the individuals using him.
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Post by finest on Sept 29, 2016 21:07:14 GMT 1
He is nerfed. What kind of bug lasted for almost a month and cheered by 90% players who fought boss? He cant be used in live yet. In arena he cant wait. Only useful in boss. And people were enjoying having a marathon of who has the best dmg record. Some fking jealousy complaining piece of shitheads just spammed the support all day long. Hey f2p piece of garbage, nix is op,sure. But there should be a limit in complaining. He is NOT impossible to beat. If you cant beat him , suck to be you. If you live on EDDs and dont spend a dime and proub of it then brag and complain, you should rethink of how you play the game. People spend money for a reason. Same in real life, you go to a Mcdonald order a Mcchicken then complain why your McChicken tastes worst than a lobstertail at Alexander Steakhouse , you are simply obnoxious full of shjt.
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Post by finest on Sept 29, 2016 21:11:56 GMT 1
Sorry Morgrim. I was just quoting for the Nerf but couldnt refrain from speaking my mind. Been reading these mofos ranting for weeks. They should cut the crap already.
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Post by zalastro on Sept 30, 2016 12:13:34 GMT 1
Sorry Morgrim. I was just quoting for the Nerf but couldnt refrain from speaking my mind. Been reading these mofos ranting for weeks. They should cut the crap already. And I am pissed of especially by 181 insulting the intelligence of the users here! It is a valid design choice to make Nixaes OP, it is a valid choice to make him available only for high vips, it is a valid choice to introduce him to make people continue to spend on old servers (more simple than new content) and it is a valid choice to push the game in direction of p2w. But please don't tell that he is not op and not made to milk high vips. And don't call a bug fix which basically no one demanded a nerf! Like other people before wrote, all who are in a guild with someone sharing Nixaes are suffering. Regarding your rant finest, these changes have the highest impact on low and mid spenders, for f2p basically changes nothing. And for you being happy now being easier 1st,be prepared, the power up wheel started, you will have now to buy every new dolphin hero, as the tendency is clearly visible going to higher power.
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Post by finest on Sept 30, 2016 23:30:31 GMT 1
Dont get me wrong. I VOTED NIXAES RIDICULOUS OP .so yeah, im a Nix user myself and I use Nix in arena to protect my 1st title ever seen he was released. Yes the fact he is OP over other heroes doesnt mean the game is unbalanced. In America, there is a saying" you get what you pay for". To get Nix, you ll have to pay to be vip11 and then with a bit of luck in dolphin ponds. Even so, 3* is common in majority of all vip11 players . Not everyone has 5*. It is like the 5%. And it is then Fact that every free to play game always poses a p2w aspect somehow. So if you chose f2p , dont expect the p2w part to not OP. The balance is set because you wanna win, you gotta shed some bills. Besides, in future they ll release other even more OP heroes than Nix . Here is the thing, Nix team is not impossible to beat , there is chance of "luck aka dodge " and there is counter team , there is battleground factor . So please end the complain already because it has been a long time Nix getting released. DONT MAKE THE DEVS STUCK WITH THE OLD CRAP AND COMPLAINS WHICH THEY LL NEVER FIX , let them spend their time creating new contents, maps , boss , guildwars , etc
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Post by raco on Oct 1, 2016 1:34:27 GMT 1
Notice that I haven't been asking for reduced damage, reduced armor, reduced movement or anything like reducing his strength. I just would like to see some of the immunities removed from Nix. A game like this is a strategy game. You want to find out your opponent's weaknesses and try to exploit them. In the arena this means trying to guess the CPU's behavior and combat the other team's strengths using their faults. It is much more fun this way IMO. So you make Nix vulnerable to mind control (taunts, lullaby, etc), then grump becomes a counter for Nix. Make Nix vulnerable to suppression spells and then Trinity or Zorak could be a counter. It is that I'm asking for, not a reduction in damage, etc. I understand that the P2W aspect is there and the Devs want their $250 for VIP 11 (which is insane for a phone game IMO), so I expect the Dolphin heroes to be better than non-heroes. I just don't like the invulnerability to everything. It makes no sense from the character point of view either. Why is a phoenix immune to everything?
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Post by finest on Oct 1, 2016 2:39:49 GMT 1
Notice that I haven't been asking for reduced damage, reduced armor, reduced movement or anything like reducing his strength. I just would like to see some of the immunities removed from Nix. A game like this is a strategy game. You want to find out your opponent's weaknesses and try to exploit them. In the arena this means trying to guess the CPU's behavior and combat the other team's strengths using their faults. It is much more fun this way IMO. So you make Nix vulnerable to mind control (taunts, lullaby, etc), then grump becomes a counter for Nix. Make Nix vulnerable to suppression spells and then Trinity or Zorak could be a counter. It is that I'm asking for, not a reduction in damage, etc. I understand that the P2W aspect is there and the Devs want their $250 for VIP 11 (which is insane for a phone game IMO), so I expect the Dolphin heroes to be better than non-heroes. I just don't like the invulnerability to everything. It makes no sense from the character point of view either. Why is a phoenix immune to everything? With high mobility, nix always acts first and jump into enemy line and immediately becoming a target. In Arena, no wait nor defend. Immunities render the OP part because he would likely not survive longer than round 3. Comparing to hyperia or zorak who dodge , invisible first round or regens 3500hp every round and zorak can be healed too, these guys survive longer than Nix and deal more dmg or usually deal the killing blow to enemies, and this is more important. I DO AGREE NIXAES GETTING AT LEAST ONE IMMUNITY THOUGH.it would make Nix easier to be contained. Just wanna point out , even without immunities Nix i not that hard to beat. Also , notice that magic heroes significantly take less dmg from Nix.
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Post by zalastro on Oct 1, 2016 14:22:49 GMT 1
Remember, when speaking about not hard to kill you are only speaking about your 3* experience, 5* needs much more dedication and leaves you vulnerable against the other heroes. But let's do it different, what would you play against Nixaes, Gladius, Elemix, Farand and Hyperia (all 5*,max level and equipment)
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Post by finest on Oct 1, 2016 19:11:40 GMT 1
Remember, when speaking about not hard to kill you are only speaking about your 3* experience, 5* needs much more dedication and leaves you vulnerable against the other heroes. But let's do it different, what would you play against Nixaes, Gladius, Elemix, Farand and Hyperia (all 5*,max level and equipment) First question, let put myself in that person position. If I spent at least 3000 on the game to get 5* elemix gladius nixaes, why would someone who spend too little to none be able to beat my team? Using metaphor, why would my 103k msrp BMW M5 perform worse than any dude s car toyota honda chevrolet ,etc 20-50k? You are asking for an irony against the world momentum here which if the devs approve it, they ll deem themselves idiots.
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Post by midori on Oct 1, 2016 21:46:01 GMT 1
completely agree with you finest 👍🏻
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Post by 181Light on Oct 1, 2016 23:21:23 GMT 1
Sorry Morgrim. I was just quoting for the Nerf but couldnt refrain from speaking my mind. Been reading these mofos ranting for weeks. They should cut the crap already. And I am pissed of especially by 181 insulting the intelligence of the users here! Look; Your opinions don't insult my intelligence, mine shouldn't be an insult on yours. Sharing opinions is not insulting... They introduced a new premium character... Nix... And as always, almost right away players found an exploit... Nix did AOE damage when someone hit 'wait' on him. Developers had PLENTY of time to fix it right away. Instead, they saw the 'bug' and found it pretty cool, so they just went with it. End game players began to develop strategies with it and got entire guilds on board with using it. Meanwhile, f2p users are screaming up and down that they developers only care about vip, and aren't giving them anything. Their crying that Nix is over powered and that life isn't fair. I want to drive a Ferrari... I can't afford it... I'm not going to go bitching to Ferrari that they only care about million and billionaires because I can't afford their product. I'm going to make the best of what I do have. What I have, gets me around on the city streets just as well as those cars do... but if they want to open them up on the highway, yah, there going to blow past me. Developers respond to the bitching on FB and in their back channels by removing the 'bug.' I was VIP14 long before Nix was released. He didn't cost me a dime more to acquire as I save my daily arena gems. So they didn't get much milk out of this cow. I have shown how he can be taken out in both sky and regular arena with f2p groups. I have demonstrated that he is not OP as he can't dominate every other character in the game 1 on 1. In my Opinion, he is not OP. If a character comes out that is OP, I'll be sure to scream red flag, but Nix certainly isn't it. On a final note The game doesn't charge to acquire any of it's in game currency (Gold Coins, Arena Coins, Sky Coins, or Diamonds) The game doesn't charge a monthly fee The game doesn't charge to acquire the vast majority of their hero's The game has made 4 (Nix, Pag, Ele, Glad) premium characters that require a VIP 11 or higher to acquire The game even allows f2p players to use those characters guild mates aquired in boss battles, story modes, and sky arena so you can get the enjoyment out of them without paying for it. That's more than I'll say for any business that wouldn't let me test drive a Ferrari.
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